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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by patrick » January 10th, 2016, 3:27 pm

1) There are no good bottle shops downtown, go to midtown.
2) Not really. KC is a shitty beer city, so everything good is gone from shelves instantly.
3) Johnny's downtown is the best sports bar in the area (but won't be great for beer). They'll have the sound on and it'll likely be a good "sports" experience. Flying Saucer will have the game on and much better beer. Both are slightly above average bar food. Those are about a 15 minute walk from Crown Center.

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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by EricH » January 11th, 2016, 6:57 pm

patrick wrote: 2) Not really. KC is a shitty beer city, so everything good is gone from shelves instantly.
Seriously? So KC doesn't have any good breweries at all, or anywhere to buy or drink good beer, anywhere in the entire KC/Lawrence area?

Not only do I strongly disagree with that statement, it makes me wonder why you would waste your time hanging out at a web site that is solely devoted to the "shitty" KC beer scene on a daily basis? :roll:
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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by Jake1605 » January 11th, 2016, 10:42 pm

EricH wrote:
patrick wrote: 2) Not really. KC is a shitty beer city, so everything good is gone from shelves instantly.
Seriously? So KC doesn't have any good breweries at all, or anywhere to buy or drink good beer, anywhere in the entire KC/Lawrence area?

Not only do I strongly disagree with that statement, it makes me wonder why you would waste your time hanging out at a web site that is solely devoted to the "shitty" KC beer scene on a daily basis? :roll:
Patrick terminology translator:

Shitty = not considered for the best

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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by patrick » January 11th, 2016, 11:55 pm

EricH wrote:
patrick wrote: 2) Not really. KC is a shitty beer city, so everything good is gone from shelves instantly.
Seriously? So KC doesn't have any good breweries at all, or anywhere to buy or drink good beer, anywhere in the entire KC/Lawrence area?

Not only do I strongly disagree with that statement, it makes me wonder why you would waste your time hanging out at a web site that is solely devoted to the "shitty" KC beer scene on a daily basis? :roll:
This is a pretty stupid statement. I "waste" my time here, because I love beer, and I want beer in KC to be better.

I clearly like many breweries in kc, and enjoy places where I buy and drink good beer. I'm a regular at a lot of places, and I know there are lots of people here (and in these establishments) who respect my opinions. I don't say shit for the sake of saying it. I'm not a troll (sorry Jake).

I say KC is a shitty beer city (because it is) based on comparisons to other cities. We don't have a good brewery making consistent amazing hoppy stuff that you can drink any time you want. Torn Label makes a great hoppy beer sometimes, but who else does? Nobody here is making east/west-coast style IPAs. That's the stuff I want to drink.

We don't have the opportunity to go to a liquor store and pick up world class beer sour beer any time we want. If you live in a real beer city, like Denver, you can pick up random shelf sour any day, and it's better than anything that rots on shelves here.

I've drank a lot of beer. I've probably had (and have) more beer than anyone in this city but Ted, and can unequivocally say that this is a shitty beer city. I've traveled the country and world for beer, and nearly every place (except Greeley, Colorado) is better than here.

I've had great beer from many Kansas City breweries. KCBC Der Bauer, Cinder Block Lusus Naturae, Torn Label Hang 'em High, Boulevard (um, I guess) the Calling? (went for year 'round, but really, Saison Brett, Foeder Projekt, and etc.). There's definitely good beer here. But to say this is a good beer city? No. Fuck no. Not even close.

edit: I'm sorry to any breweries I left out above, that's by no means an exhaustive list.

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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by EricH » January 12th, 2016, 9:33 am

Jake1605 wrote:Patrick terminology translator:

Shitty = not considered for the best
Didn't know that. I do now, thanks.
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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by thomas15 » January 12th, 2016, 10:38 am

patrick wrote:
We don't have the opportunity to go to a liquor store and pick up world class beer sour beer any time we want. If you live in a real beer city, like Denver, you can pick up random shelf sour any day, and it's better than anything that rots on shelves here.
I try as hard as I can to always have the best sours possible in stock.
If I can help it I will always have:
Avery Raspberry Sour
2nd Shift Katy
Every available Mikkeller Spontan Beer
Any Oude Gueuze I can find
Every available size of Cuvee Rene
Every available Crooked Stave Beer
Jacobins Rouge

and thats not even counting not quite sour super funky beers like Jolly Pumpkin and Anchorage.
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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by schumed » January 12th, 2016, 11:22 am

patrick wrote:
EricH wrote:
patrick wrote:

I say KC is a shitty beer city (because it is) based on comparisons to other cities. We don't have a good brewery making consistent amazing hoppy stuff that you can drink any time you want. Torn Label makes a great hoppy beer sometimes, but who else does? Nobody here is making east/west-coast style IPAs. That's the stuff I want to drink.
Cinder Block Prime and Block IPA , Martin City Hard Way IPA, Boulevard Heavy Lifting and The Calling, Big Rip Aisle 12 West Coast IPA (they have made huge improvements), Rock and Run Saminator, Red Crow Louise, Crane Farmhouse IPA ( not west coast but great hoppy beer)...all solid IPA's. Hopefully Misosuri locals Piney river and Log Boat hit the KC market for 2016...they have some awesome hoppy IPA's too...KC is getting there

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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by Rockchalkkc » January 12th, 2016, 1:28 pm

I'm with Patrick on this one. However, I wouldn't call Kansas City a "shitty" beer city. We are still years behind cities like St Louis or regions like NE or Colorado. I'd love to be able to pick up cans like Other Half or Lawson's or TreeHouse. KC has nothing like that

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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by JeremyDanner » January 12th, 2016, 3:24 pm

I think it would be naive to compare the Kansas City beer scene to more developed scenes like Portland, Denver, San Diego or St. Louis, but I think it's shortsighted and pessimistic to refer to Kansas City as a shitty beer town. It's impossible to grow beer love in a city with a negative attitude. We're just now seeing an influx of new breweries and beer bars happening in town. Are they all going to be awesome? No, they won't, but they won't improve if we don't offer more constructive criticism than simply dismissing things as "shitty."

We can't go back in time and taste the first beers that John brewed back in 1989 to see how they'd hold up against the beers we're brewing today, but I'm pretty sure that what we're brewing today would be considered an improvement over the first batches of Pale Ale and Bully! Porter. In a few years, hopefully we can all look back and say the same thing about the newly opened breweries, even the ones we feel are already producing great beer.

The cool thing about beer is that we're all on our individual journeys and at different points along those journeys. The thoughts I have about beer and our beer scene might be more informed than new folks to the scene, but that doesn't make them more relevant to any one individual so I think it's important to consider that as we look at all of the thoughts that have been shared on this thread. Your own personal thoughts will never be more relevant/true to another person as they are to you.

I'm excited and proud to be a part of a growing scene here in Kansas City. Does this mean that I love every brewery and every bar and every beer we have access to? No, but it does mean that I'm going to do my damndest to champion the things I believe in. I think it's an absolute shame that folks demonstrate beer (or any another subject) knowledge by attacking the things they don't enjoy versus celebrating the things they love.
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Re: Downtown KC?

Post by Russ » January 12th, 2016, 4:32 pm

Rockchalkkc wrote:I'm with Patrick on this one. However, I wouldn't call Kansas City a "shitty" beer city. We are still years behind cities like St Louis or regions like NE or Colorado. I'd love to be able to pick up cans like Other Half or Lawson's or TreeHouse. KC has nothing like that
this is about my feeling. Just curious, are there any cans at the level of SoS or Julius available in STL or Denver?

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